Are Australian court reporters on strike or something? I still don't get why there wouldn't be a transcript. Isn't there ALWAYS a transcript in all court sessions?
Mad Sweeney
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Victoria, Australia: October 11th hearing. All five cases made it through the court...just!
by AndersonsInfo inthis is a preliminary summary only.
i hope to obtain more details later.. .
all five cases are still within the criminal justice system.
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Ex JW, Fader and 'Conscious Class' Map
by Mickey mouse inhttp://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=utf8&msa=0&msid=116388890922269468211.0004938b3329a3f3d0927&ll=54.876607,1.538086&spn=13.940068,39.506836&z=5.
i've created a map in google maps for people to mark their location, you don't have to put your real identity if you don't want to.. you need to sign in with a google account, click the 'edit' button and then drop a marker on your location.
add a photo if you like!.
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Mad Sweeney
Looking at the first response to this thread I think I see a little irony.
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Cult Free Radio on the air this Saturday night with special guest Barbara Anderson
by Mad Sweeney inthat's right.
barbara anderson will be on cult free radio this saturday evening at 10pm eastern time.. show up to listen and post your questions on the social stream for me to ask her.. https://www.facebook.com/cultfreeradio.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/cult-free-radio.
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Mad Sweeney
Dario Kehl, the shows are recorded to mp3 and posted on www.ex-JW.com for download as a podcast:
http://ex-jw.com/web-directory/cult-free-radio-archives-1-6
Thanks to Juan Viejo for hosting them!
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Self-shunning Syndrome / The Prime Directive
by cedars ini've recently been reunited with some close family and friends having been away from them for some time in another country.
to begin with, i was a little apprehensive as to how they would treat me.
they don't know the extent of my feelings or knowledge (or what i've been up to!
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Mad Sweeney
Welcome to the world of the fader.
Don't worry, eventually they'll shun you like a bad case of the Klingons and you'll have an entirely new set of issues to deal with.
I strongly recommend therapy to ex-JWs for good reason. Cult recovery doesn't just happen spontaneously.
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Should i break up???
by Dudu ini need advice specially from those wise women and men from this forum, who has been in a relationship for long time.
here is my situation, i am dating a guy for 4 months now and everything was going smooth, but since a month ago , he is been going out with some friends.... my boyfriend only has 2 full days off during the month , every other sunday, last day off he went all day with his friends to the beach and i was ok with that, but today he is calling me to ask me if i am ok with him going with his friends again all day to the beach.
we dont go out that much and maybe we go out one time a week and is for dinner or something like that, i dont think of myself as clingy but i dont like this pattern...... should i break up?
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Mad Sweeney
Why are you dating a guy who doesn't want to be around you?
Move on.
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No Christian Congregation in Australia according to the Witchtower. HAHAHA
by hamsterbait inin the continuing court battle in australia, the legal counsel for the witchtower babble and trash religion shocked witless onlookers by saying the there is.
"no christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses in the state of victoria," or indeed the whole of australia.. hahahhahahahaha!.
at least they are not perjuring themselves as any fool can see that their congregations are not "christian".. check this on barb andersons thread!.
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Mad Sweeney
The answer to that question is "we don't know yet, but Mr. Unthank and the Australian branch and congregation elders do" and that is one of the things this trial is going to answer. It is one of the things that makes this important. The primary importance of this case is to protect children from the Watchtower's pedophile protection rules. The secondary importance is to get documentation of where the organizations various entities stand in relation to each other.
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is it moral and or rational to teach children and adults that Santa is real?
by mankkeli in1) yes it is moral and rational.
2) yes it is moral.
3) yes it is rational.
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Mad Sweeney
I can't think of anything good that comes from presenting a fairy-tale as truth.
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The real identity of the F&DS revealed...any news yet?
by Aussie Oz inrecently barbara posted the update on the unthank case and mentioned that more would be revealed soon on the real identity of the faithful slave.. has it been revealed yet?
have i missed it?.
been looking, hoping!.
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If your mate remains in the org...
by Silent_Scream insome here have had the bonus of their mate leaving with them.
unfortunately, my wife is die-hard.
everything in the org makes sense and if it don't, thats fine too.
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Mad Sweeney
You can't TELL a cult member anything. Their defenses go up instantly, as you have experienced.
Let her know that you appreciate her spiritual strength and then ASK HER to HELP YOU. Make it clear in no uncertain terms that you WILL REFUSE to discuss your faith with ANYONE ELSE so she cannot pass the buck on to the elders or anyone else in the congregation - and that you will consider it a betrayal if she breaks your confidentiality EVEN IF her motives are pure. SHE MUST be the one to HELP YOU by EXPLAINING WHY you should have faith that the Watchtower is the Faithful and Discreet Slave. If she refuses, don't get angry, get sad - be hurt that your marriage isn't important enough for her to expend effort at saving you spiritually (it's kind of emotional blackmail but hey - theocratic warfare).
Arm yourself with info, but never TELL anything. ASK HER to PROVE it to you. When she gives you the Borg talking points, ASK more questions.
The biggest mistake exiting JWs make is they learn the truth about the organization doctrinally and perhaps scandal-wise, but don't learn the psychology of cult mind control. Not knowing how a cult member is programmed to react you're unprepared to overcome their programming. One would think TRUTH would trump the programming - it doesn't. Not by itself because they're programmed to see ANYthing that doesn't support the Borg 100% as a LIE from Satan's world. Until they can free THEMSELVES from the concept that the Watchtower is "God's Organization" they can't take the other steps necessary in learning everything else that's wrong with the organization.
Example questions to ask - after you've convinced her to help you rebuild your faith (don't move to the next until the previous one has been fully researched and discussed) :
1. To put faith in the organization, I need to be sure they are God's organization. When was the Watchtower appointed as the Faithful and Discreet Slave and how did that come about? (if she can't tell you off the top of her head, maybe take a few days for you both to research it and then meet to discuss it further)
2. What was Jesus looking for during his inspection of the religions of the world? (You can find the answer in God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached, pages 352-353, and also the January 15, 2008 Watchtower - it was what the organization was teaching. Many JWs will give this answer first and then switch it when "opposers" bring up the fact that they taught MANY things that they don't teach anymore - they change it to "the organization was SEARCHING EARNESTLY for TRUTH even though it wasn't 100% clear to them yet, "the light gets brighter." That is NOT official Watchtower doctrine, and even if it is NOW, it wasn't THEN nor for many decades - show her the book and the WT - it's ALL ABOUT what they were teaching.)
3. What were they teaching in 1918-19? (There was ONE book published by the Borg in 1917 and re-printed as much of the 1918 Watchtower study articles - The Finished Mystery. You can download it at archive.org - it is full of crap that people would be DFd for today, if not sent into a mental health facility.)
Obviously, the point is to lead her to truth as she does her research to HELP YOU. She is far more likely to believe what she finds than what you tell her.
I'm not an expert. Not a psychologist. I'm just a guy who has read a lot of experiences - some successful and some unsuccessful. I managed to get out with my wife using the Family Worship Night arrangement, but I never let on any doubts until SHE was doubting - it seems too late for you to try that route.
(Maybe listen to shows 7 and 8 of Cult Free Radio for encouragement - the mp3s are hosted at www.ex-jw.com - Good Luck )
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Victoria, Australia: October 11th hearing. All five cases made it through the court...just!
by AndersonsInfo inthis is a preliminary summary only.
i hope to obtain more details later.. .
all five cases are still within the criminal justice system.
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Mad Sweeney
They often will embody the spirit of deception/lies/falsehood while speaking technically accurately. This is actually the worst kind of lie and they do it with glee, claiming Jehovah's blessing.
I'm reminded of how they told the court in Bulgaria that they impose no sanctions on a JW who accepts a blood transfusion. Technically accurate - a JW who accepts a transfusion isn't DFd. Practically it is a lie because a JW who accepts a transfusion is automatically disassociated and DFd and DAd people are treated IDENTICALLY by Jehovah's Witnesses - by Watchtower command.